It seems to me that we have two very different concepts being discussed in this thread, and it is difficult to separate the two.
So going forward, I'd like to propose that we shelve the second discussion item. Just drop it for now. We can return to the idea later if someone still wants, but let's work on the GoMe liaisoning side of things first and get our ideas on that settled.
Yes, Marten, and to you Kalypso, I agree also the 'shelved' discussion is possibly very muddy water right now, especially when mixed with GoMe liaison to other Guilds.
Also, Sorry that I edited right over the top of you two, as I was really buying into the approach offered by ghaelen and Wutt Evah once I found and understood their viewpoint.
You can move forward now, I'll keep the anchors in the boat. :wink:
I think I'm beginning to understand even better what the original idea was, and still is.
Edit: Just saw your post, Marten, lol
In my mind, the Messengers liaison discussion is separating itself out into two types of liaison-ing tasks: (as Marten indicated)
1. Messengers who need to talk with another Guild about business/issues that involve only those two guilds. I'm not sure that person even needs to be called a liaison. Maybe just the Messenger talking to guild X or Y?.
Every guild or group will have their own reps for type 1. This person will facilitate communications specific to that guild and another guild. (Szark is doing this for the GOH)
2. The Messenger who is selected by the GOMe to be their Guild Liaison, who brings collective Messenger thoughts/ideas to the Liaison subforum. (It is this one that has taken on a life of its own?)
Every guild who wishes to be represented in the Liaison subforum will choose their own rep to be part of type 2. The Messenger Liaison is one of many in a subforum housed on the GOMe. This particular subforum could be housed anywhere. Do I understand that correctly?
The reason the GOMe seems the natural place for type #2 to happen is because unlike any other Guild, the Messengers need to be in communication with every other Official Guild and possibly Unofficial major Guilds, minor Guilds, and some other groups. Going out and getting information from all those organizations would wear down the hardiest Messenger, unless you assigned one Messenger to each guild/group to go and ask for news. That is what type #1 is trying to do, yes? I can see how that is nearly impossible until more people come back to help (me, too, after the end of October). But I can also see how creating a space for each guild rep to themselves come and post their news would make it easier for the Messengers to get news. As a side benefit, it would provide the guild liaisons a place to talk to each other as well.
In the end, though,I do understand if the GOMe isn't set up to do that, mostly in regard to available moderators. It would be a huge responsibility.
uhm...quite the opposite...#1 is the one who has taken on a life of its own.
The first idea was simply a place for GoMe Liaisons to other Guilds.
But you got the important point:
that's the real question: a LMP where all the Liaison of all Guilds can meet is nice but it needs responsibility, time and is difficult...and we're not even sure if it would actually be useful for the other Guilds.
Now the question is: Does the GoMe want a place like that, and Will the GoMe be able to manage it?
I'm with Marten on this point...let's drop the All Guilds Liaisons Idea for now.
Im with Marten on this point...let's drop the All Guilds Liaisons Idea for now
.Yes I would love to concentrate on the GoMe liaisons to other Guilds and whatever only.
As it stands we have 3 liaisons that 3 groups recognise. Lynnutte, Blade and Leonardo, with Taiâ€™lahr still unsure, I will get to this later Tai'lahr. Marten is in no-mans land with the GoW.
I was in the middle a writing something up when I thought I'd better check the forum first.
Yeah sorry I got side tracked but I think I am ready to step up and take some responsibility for this liaison business. From the start all I wanted was a place for me and the other liaisons to communicate. I never had this hub in mind and I got swept up in the wave of excitement and confusion. The idea was born out of necessity and has subsequently got blown out of all proportions. The idea of a hub is a valid one but maybe we can consider that once MORE is up and running. As in see a need............but for now we need to concentrate on your own guild if we are to be ready for MORE. As are the other Guilds, concentrating their efforts in getting organised, before expanding something that has not yet started. There will be new players coming so we will not have the luxury of having the time to get organised after MORE is online.
Nalates from the GoC is ok and happy with Lynnutte; it is already on UO site. Leonardo is officially recognised. Taiâ€™lahr, well we still have to sort that out. I havenâ€™t forgotten Taiâ€™lahr. Blade is on with the GoA. Martenâ€™s position is undecided due to miscommunication within the GoW, we will have to wait for them as they have their hands full, for obvious reasons.
History first as this is important. Initially I was the Liaison to MOUL (in name only) I put myself forward for the liaison chair elections, why because there were simply not enough candidates. Someone else got the job but nothing was ever done. I have never done anything like this before and quite frankly it scares the hell out of me. Some advice I was told years ago; Do one thing a day that scares you, well for me it was looking in the mirror every morning, but then I found out that, that doesnâ€™t count. So here we are.
Present day: The Liaison chair resigns and I was asked to fill in as I was mostly doing that type of work anyway, without the label of liaison, so I reluctantly agreed. Now I have been thrust (through no oneâ€™s fault but my own) into something that a, I know little about doing and b, I am still developing my people skills, tact and diplomacy, yes late I know.
So what now: Well considering I have had some flack lately I am still up for the challenge of giving this Liaison chair a go. First as Lynnutte says we need a better definition of what a GoMe liaison is and does, without being too, well business like. I did draft something up yesterday and with what has been said today and last night (my time) I will have to go back to the drawing board and start again. This might take a week or more as I have to get my head back to the original concept with additions. Focusing when in pain is fun, I can tell you, and some of my posts reflect that. You should see some articles I have written, you thought LotR was hard to follow. :D
If anyone objects to me doing this job or feels they could do it better then please come forward now, otherwise letâ€™s keep this on track and bear with me as I learn as I go. So far I should have proved myself of learning fast, maybe the hard way but fairly fast and with your help and guidance I might prove to be worthy of this position. If I donâ€™t then all I can say I gave it my all. I have no personal hidden agenda; I did not intend to raise my head above the parapet. All my actions to date have been born out of saying thank you to the Uru community for bringing me out of my shell and waking my mind up. I have come a long way since November last year and my wife has seen the difference. This was the main reason why I called myself Itiseye Mee so people wouldnâ€™t automatically realise it was me. I donâ€™t want to make a name for myself; all I ever wanted was to bring my own philosophy of life that I learnt through pain and hardship, to Uru as I found a deep kinship among its community. To strive for something better, even though it is not (DUCK) real, nevertheless it does have a profound effect on people, in my case a very positive effect, and long may it stay that way.
So can I ask you all to be patient until we can get some sort of defined role spelt out for all to see and go from there? I do think it is all here but I just need time to comb through it, digest it and then construct.
Me just saw this message on Moul's forum and I do not understand what is going on. (since I can still post here)
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:32 pm â€”
Post subject: The Liaisons Meeting Place project has been cancelled.
Thus, discussion is now closed on the GoMe forum.
As Marten said, this LMP for all the guilds is being dropped for now. I posted it on MOUL to make it clear to the rest of the community that this particular project is cancelled. I don't want to lock the topics in the LMP but I want to make it clear that discussion is closed and stop the flow of new messages regarding this issue.
The GoMe Liaisons Meeting Place is something entirely different though and that project will continue but will only be discuss among us because it will only concern GoMe liaisons.
Thanks for explaining all of that Szark. I didnâ€™t realize how it actually came to be. I read over Arctic_Wagonâ€™s post at Moul again, and I would have understood the concept in the same way now as I did then â€“ the GOMe was creating a space for liaisons from Guilds to come and talk to each other. I realize now what he actually meant â€“ wait, actually, Iâ€™m still not sure â€¦ it is beside the point now, anyway, lol.
I do however, understand now, even better than I did when I thought I did. (Ack, lol).
I apologize for misunderstanding and posting accordingly. The project for right now was meant to be internal, I gather. One day I do hope there is a renewal of a place for reps from all groups to meet and talk. The community will always need that. For what itâ€™s worth, this short and sharp (quick rise and fall) situation did help me understand and formulate ideas about what could be done for a space like that. Maybe someone will take up the task.
Szark, Nanouk, Leonardo, you are all very sweet. Thanks for your very kind thoughts. I am just now finishing up what I should have finished up hours ago (got a little sidetracked, lol) I am back on schedule, so look for me in three months. In the meantime, Iâ€™ll do what I can. I miss the caverncasts, for all the stress they caused, and at some point I will just have to involve the lot of you in what could easily be another â€œOffice fiasco.â€
Oh wait, I got itâ€¦.
â€œMystery Messenger Info-MORE-Shellâ€
You know, that could turn into a seriesâ€¦. Oh man, I should not come over here! (beats head to stop ideas from flowing)
Course, we could start with an audio programâ€¦.
Here is a copy of my first post on Moul about this subject.
Note here that I have added some comments while making this reply.
Title on Moul:
"Liaisons Meeting Place for Members of all Guilds"
Comment: With hindsight I should have used " Liaisons Meeting Place for "Choosen" Members of all Guilds "
You will find a nice room at the back of our small Inn in the countryside.
No change, no comment
It will be mainly about Liaison's work but friendly enough to accommodate all visitors.
I should have added: at first, for visitor to have a look and later on, for the possibility for visitors to have a thread of their own for asking questions.